{"id":9948,"date":"2018-11-04T15:03:55","date_gmt":"2018-11-04T22:03:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=9948"},"modified":"2018-11-04T19:23:34","modified_gmt":"2018-11-05T02:23:34","slug":"the-gods-do-not-vote-so-why-are-you-asking-them","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=9948","title":{"rendered":"The Gods Do Not Vote, So Why Are You Asking Them?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_9961\" style=\"width: 799px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9961\" class=\"size-full wp-image-9961\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/catland-brett-kavanaugh-witch.jpg?resize=625%2C364&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"625\" height=\"364\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/catland-brett-kavanaugh-witch.jpg?w=789&amp;ssl=1 789w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/catland-brett-kavanaugh-witch.jpg?resize=150%2C87&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/catland-brett-kavanaugh-witch.jpg?resize=300%2C175&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/catland-brett-kavanaugh-witch.jpg?resize=768%2C448&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/11\/catland-brett-kavanaugh-witch.jpg?resize=500%2C292&amp;ssl=1 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 625px) 100vw, 625px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-9961\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Hexing in progress. (Reuters via National Review)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>When I was a kid, I read some condensed version of the Iliad for young people. I did not understand the gods.<\/p>\n<p>After all, I was raised to be a Christian. In the Bible, YHWH was supposed to take care of his special people, the Jews, although sometimes he expressed his care and concern . . . oddly. The Christians continued that idea with themselves as the special people, and so on with other monotheistic religions. Obviously, God favored the &#8220;good guys.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>In the Iliad, the Greeks are the &#8220;good guys,&#8221; near as, although the Trojans are not especially villainous, just the other team. But the story is told from the Greeks&#8217; point of view. Yet some of the gods favored on side and some the other. How could that be?((You don&#8217;t really hear about the Trojans&#8217; religion as a separate thing.))<\/p>\n<p>Later in life, having changed quite a bit, I would write about the Iliad, <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=3437\">linking to the story of a Navy SEAL killed in combat, whose mother reflected, &#8220;He was born to do this job.&#8221;<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>That is the polytheistic view of life. The world is a mess. The world is beautiful. The gods are eternal (or as good as). The gods work at cross-purposes, and sometimes humans are caught between them.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Meanwhile, I see some Pagans convinced that they know how the gods vote<\/strong> \u2014 or would vote, if they could produce a photo ID at the polling place.<\/p>\n<p>Are these the same Pagans who sneer at that subset of evangelical Christians who apparently think that Jesus is a Republican?((After 2,000 years of worship, he is definitely a god. And maybe he is a Republican. Or like in the<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/American_Gods_(TV_series)\"> TV version of <em>American Gods<\/em><\/a>, there are multiple Jesuses and one is a Republican.))<\/p>\n<p><strong>If you are really a polytheist, then you must accept that the gods do not vote.<\/strong> Their values are not always aligned with our day-to-day political values. Really, what does Aphrodite care about Colorado&#8217;s proposal to change the redistricting process or about who wins the race for Pueblo County coroner? Should I consult Hekate about my congressional candidates?<\/p>\n<p>In the context of discussing a Heathen theological question, Galina Kraskova puts the issue this way:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/krasskova.wordpress.com\/2018\/10\/15\/nazis-in-valhalla\/\">To assume, moreover, that the Gods share our political affiliations is incredibly narrow-minded and na\u00efve. It might help motivate us to become involved politically, it might allow us to feel a certain connection to whatever Gods we venerate, it might even make us feel better but it is a terribly humanizing view of Powers that are well beyond our factiousness, or the limitations of temporality and human foolishness. It\u2019s really a shame that we insist on bringing our Gods down to our short-sighted level (and I think we all do this at times).<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>On the other hand, statements such as, &#8220;T<a href=\"https:\/\/quoteinvestigator.com\/2012\/11\/15\/arc-of-universe\/\">he arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice<\/a>&#8221; might be comforting but do represent a kind of crypto-monotheism, especially when people capitalize History and treat it as a force equivalent to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic <em>Only God<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>This &#8220;history&#8221; is apparently quasi-sentient and going somewhere other than to its own destruction. It is no coincident that the statement is attributed to a Unitarian minister.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Some Pagans I know (or know of) are working with various American archetypes <\/strong>((I\u00a0 use Salmon too!)) in the sense of asking protection and blessing, which is OK. It&#8217;s like always ending a spell with &#8220;Or something better.&#8221;((It is always good when you can rid yourself of annoying people by blessing them.)) That means not ordering the gods around: &#8220;[Deity], cause [Candidate] to win the election!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>In the mundane world, stories like &#8220;Witches Hex Kavanaugh&#8221; are great clickbait.<\/strong>((For readers outside the USA, the article refers to Judge Brett Kavanaugh, recently added to the US Supreme Court after a contentious confirmation process in the Senate.))<\/p>\n<p>Here is the old-line conservative magazine <em>National Review, <\/em>suffering from a drop in circulation, taking a clickbait-ish shot at &#8220;progressive&#8221; Witches:<\/p>\n<aside class=\"ad-unit ad-unit--center ad-unit--inline\">\n<div class=\"ad-unit__inner\">\n<div class=\"hide-for-subscribers\">\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nationalreview.com\/2018\/10\/catland-books-witches-curse-brett-kavanaugh-hex-session\/\">Because progressives belong to the Party of Science, they may wish to visit some of their like-minded fellow partisans at Catland Books, where they can also take a few courses: Demonology 101, Plant Magik [<em>sic<\/em>] 101, or Potions &amp; Tinctures 101, which all are on the current schedule.<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And <a href=\"https:\/\/www.yahoo.com\/news\/modern-day-witches-plan-ritual-003247217.html\">the same story on Yahoo News, which leans Democratic\u00a0<\/a> If nothing else, hexing is cathartic, says the organizer:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.yahoo.com\/news\/modern-day-witches-plan-ritual-003247217.html\">[Dakota[ Bracciale, who organized three hexes against President Donald Trump last year, said the ritual is meant to be cathartic for victims of sexual assault.<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>We know what happened \u2014 the hexing failed. And who is taking credit for that? &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.worldreligionnews.com\/religion-news\/catholic-exorcist-fought-witches-hex-brett-kavanaugh\">Catholic Exorcists Fought Witches&#8217; Hex on Brett Kavanaugh<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.worldreligionnews.com\/religion-news\/catholic-exorcist-fought-witches-hex-brett-kavanaugh\">Reverend Gary Thomas has the chops to do an exorcism. He is trained by the Vatican on such matters, and the Bishop of San Jose has authorized him to perform exorcisms. When it comes to Catholicism, only specially trained priests can undertake the complex sequence of prayers and rites to fight perceived demonic forces. Thomas is not taking the hex ceremony lightly. The priest claimed to witness people who were not in their &#8220;state of grace&#8221; to suffer spiritual and physical harm as curses were thrown at them.<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>All of this is doing the Craft so much good (sarcasm). What happened to the fourth side of the Magician&#8217;s Pyramid, &#8220;to keep silent&#8221;? If you announce a hex and it does not work, you look like a loser, catharsis or no.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/aside>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When I was a kid, I read some condensed version of the Iliad for young people. I did not understand the gods. After all, I was raised to be a Christian. In the Bible, YHWH was supposed to take care of his special people, the Jews, although sometimes he expressed his care and concern . 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On the other hand, the divine Julian's ways of dealing with Christians were much subtler.\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"American religion\"","block_context":{"text":"American religion","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?tag=american-religion"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":562,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=562","url_meta":{"origin":9948,"position":3},"title":"More on Book Design: The Best Iliad Cover Ever","author":"Chas S. Clifton","date":"November 24, 2005","format":false,"excerpt":"Walking through the enormous book exhibition at the AAR-SBL, I stopped at the booth of Parmenides Publishing, publisher of Classical philosophy and literature. 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