{"id":7348,"date":"2015-07-25T14:42:20","date_gmt":"2015-07-25T20:42:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=7348"},"modified":"2015-07-26T15:19:06","modified_gmt":"2015-07-26T21:19:06","slug":"marion-zimmer-bradleys-daughter-speaks-out","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=7348","title":{"rendered":"Marion Zimmer Bradley’s Daughter Speaks Out"},"content":{"rendered":"

The MZB\/Walter Breen scandal was bigger in the science fiction\/speculative fantasy world than in the Pagan world, but MZB has influenced Pagans through her Mists of Avalon<\/em> books and her Pagan associates, as detailed by Sonja Sadvoksky in The Priestess and the Pen.<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n

If you ask someone under 35 about Mists<\/em>, they do not think it is relevant, or maybe they have heard of it but most likely have never read it. If you ask someone over 35 the same question, especially if they are female, they often come back with with an answer that Mists<\/em> was a fundamental book in their development as a Pagan and Witch. I kind of straddle this divide, as I am turning 34 this month, and I have a thing for weird books.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The Bradley\/Breen scandal was about sexual abuse, and their daughter Moira Greyland experienced it too.<\/a>(I don’t know the blog where she guest-posts, but the post itself came well-recommended.)<\/p>\n

My observation of my father and mother\u2019s actual belief is this: since everyone is naturally gay, it is the straight establishment that makes everyone hung up and therefore limited. \u00a0Sex early will make people willing to have sex with everyone, which will bring about the utopia while eliminating homophobia and helping people become \u201cwho they really are.\u201d It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other \u201cisms.\u201d \u00a0If enough children are sexualized young enough, gayness will suddenly be \u201cnormal\u201d and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish. \u00a0As sex is integrated as a natural part of every single relationship, the barriers between people will vanish, and the utopia will appear, as \u201cstraight culture\u201d goes the way of the dinosaur. \u00a0As my mother used to say: \u201cChildren are brainwashed into believing they don\u2019t want sex.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Read the rest if you can handle it<\/a>. Moira is not exactly waving the rainbow flag.<\/p>\n

I would rather not get into the whole “Can you separate the artist from the work?” because, most of the time, I think that you can. That’s the reader’s response. On the other hand, it is also fair for the critic to examine how the writer’s attitude toward X affects how she or he writes about X.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The MZB\/Walter Breen scandal was bigger in the science fiction\/speculative fantasy world than in the Pagan world, but MZB has influenced Pagans through her Mists of Avalon books and her Pagan associates, as detailed by Sonja Sadvoksky in The Priestess and the Pen. 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