{"id":699,"date":"2006-08-11T02:53:00","date_gmt":"2006-08-11T02:53:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=699"},"modified":"2006-08-11T02:53:00","modified_gmt":"2006-08-11T02:53:00","slug":"there-is-no-baby-with-the-bathwater","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=699","title":{"rendered":"&quot;There is no baby with the bathwater&quot;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Anne Hill (of Serpentine Music) blogs on <a href=\"http:\/\/gnosiscafe.com\/gcblog\/2006\/08\/06\/the-baby-and-the-bathwater\/#comments\">issues about the Reclaiming tradition<\/a>. But is it Craft or is it just &#8220;progressive&#8221; politics?<\/p>\n<p><em>Can it be true that what started as a grand experiment in creating a spirituality that was Goddess-centered, egalitarian, politically and socially radical would have absolutely nothing to show for it 25 years after the fact? Could it be that a community and religious movement which has been at the center of my identity for over two decades consisted all along of nothing but our intense willingness to believe our own promotional language?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Note the commments, too, including this from <a href=\"http:\/\/besom.blogspot.com\">Macha NightMare<\/a>, another of the Bay Area senior Witches:<\/p>\n<p><em>I agree completely about the lack of standards. I\u2019ve often experienced this as leading to sloppy rituals and sloppy magic. That\u2019s the main reason I\u2019ve avoided public rituals for the most part for many, many years.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Tags: <a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tag\/reclaiming\" rel=\"tag\">Reclaiming<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tag\/starhawk\" rel=\"tag\">Starhawk<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/technorati.com\/tag\/witchcraft\" rel=\"tag\">Witchcraft<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Anne Hill (of Serpentine Music) blogs on issues about the Reclaiming tradition. But is it Craft or is it just &#8220;progressive&#8221; politics? Can it be true that what started as a grand experiment in creating a spirituality that was Goddess-centered, egalitarian, politically and socially radical would have absolutely nothing to show for it 25 years [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-699","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6xQTg-bh","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1643,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=1643","url_meta":{"origin":699,"position":0},"title":"Donna Gardner a Wiccan? 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The article's author writes, As it happens, I\u2019ve attended pagan rituals myself, in rural Austria, and I\u2019ve met men who work on their\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"Europe\"","block_context":{"text":"Europe","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?tag=europe"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"\/\/ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/e\/ir?t=soutrocknatub-20&l=am2&o=1&a=B00CB5F7YG","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":1515,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=1515","url_meta":{"origin":699,"position":2},"title":"Survey on Pagan Coming-of-Age Rituals","author":"Chas S. Clifton","date":"April 15, 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"Sociologist Gina Oboler has done good research in the Pagan community before\u2014I used some of her work on Pagans and environmentalism in Her Hidden Children: The Rise of Wicca and Paganism in America. Now she is looking at coming-of-age rituals, and if you can offer some experience-based responses, please fill\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":316,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=316","url_meta":{"origin":699,"position":3},"title":"An ex-Pagan's blog Blogger John\u2026","author":"Chas S. Clifton","date":"December 1, 2004","format":false,"excerpt":"An ex-Pagan's blog Blogger John Gibson apparently defines himself by what he no longer is, Wiccan: I met with Alan, became interested, and started meeting with his group during their new moon rituals. Most of these rituals were what we called \"prosperity\" rituals, because they were aimed at getting money\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":9877,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=9877","url_meta":{"origin":699,"position":4},"title":"&#8220;The Importance of Rituals to the Hunt&#8221;","author":"Chas S. Clifton","date":"October 11, 2018","format":false,"excerpt":"I have written a little about the intersection of hunting and ritual, but today I would ask you to read Jeremy Climer's blog post \"The Importance of Rituals to the Hunt.\" Before we go any further, we should define both \u201ctradition\u201d and \u201critual\u201d because people often use them interchangeably.\u00a0\u00a0Although traditions\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"animals\"","block_context":{"text":"animals","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?tag=animals"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/bull-8-16-2015.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/bull-8-16-2015.jpg?resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/bull-8-16-2015.jpg?resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/blog.chasclifton.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/10\/bull-8-16-2015.jpg?resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":4996,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=4996","url_meta":{"origin":699,"position":5},"title":"Russian Seasonal Dream Rituals","author":"Chas S. 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