{"id":497,"date":"2005-08-26T01:10:00","date_gmt":"2005-08-26T01:10:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=497"},"modified":"2005-08-26T01:10:00","modified_gmt":"2005-08-26T01:10:00","slug":"497","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=497","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>The logistics of sacrifice (2)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chasclifton.com\/2005\/08\/logistics-of-sacrifice-1-looking-at.html\">Part 1<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Bard College is known for its Classics program. Somewhere on the Web there is a video clip transferred from film of 1930s students in ancient Greek costumes having an Olympic-style competition on the fieldhouse.<\/p>\n<p>This graphic series from Bard attempts to show the <a href=\"http:\/\/inside.bard.edu\/academic\/specialproj\/ritual\/Rituals\/Burkert\/00.html\">stages of a typical Greek sacrifice of a sheep<\/a>, but it suffers from a degree of prettiness. For instance:<\/p>\n<p>Scene 14: the improbable fire. No ash buildup, and no one gets smoke in their eyes later<\/p>\n<p>Scene 16: Half-raw, half-charred sheep heart. . . yum!<\/p>\n<p>Scene 17: Where did the fire go? Who stripped the bones, and how long did that take? There is archaeological evidence for the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.uc.edu\/news\/burnt.htm\">burning of bones<\/a>. Does everyone else stand around getting hungry? One source I read suggested that the meat was often boiled (plain or with onions?); another says that priests (or their agents) could sell their portion of the meat in the marketplace.<\/p>\n<p>Scene 19: That must be wine with a very high alcoholic content!<\/p>\n<p>Still the basics are there. By comparison, Muslims seem not necessarily <a href=\"http:\/\/www.stanford.edu\/group\/ISSU\/about_islam\/articles_hussein\/node15.html\">to bother with altars<\/a> for their animal sacrifices.<\/p>\n<p>Christianity, too, grew up in a culture, temple Judaism, that practiced sacrifice, as did surrounding cultures. The idea of Jesus-as-sacrifice must have carried a lot of emotional impact then based on what people had seen for themselves, as opposed to being just a dead metaphor as it is now.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s like <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.csmonitor.com\/verbal_energy\/words_on_the_move\/index.html\">&#8220;flip side&#8221; from phonograph albums<\/a> or all the steam-power metaphors still in our language: &#8220;get fired up,&#8221; &#8220;build up a head of steam.&#8221;  When did you last fire a steam boiler?<\/p>\n<p>When I was a child, I was just grossed out by phrases like &#8220;washed in the blood of the Lamb.&#8221; All bloody&#8211;yuck! At least if I had seen blood-splashed altars, it would have meant something to me.<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes the only way to learn is to do it. An essay in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.reclaiming.org\/resources\/death\/ \"><em>The Pagan Book of Living and Dying<\/em><\/a> describes the outdoor cremation of a corpse on a Texas ranch. The deceased friends&#8217; had the land, the firewood (old corral rails), and the inclination, and it was what he had wanted. So they build a pyre around the corpse and lit it . . . and then had to wait, because a body in a wood fire does not burn instantly. What to do? They had food, drink, and time&#8211;so they played games: volleyball or whatever, just like at a picnic. Of course! You always read about &#8220;the funeral games&#8221; at the burial of some ancient hero.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The logistics of sacrifice (2) Part 1 Bard College is known for its Classics program. Somewhere on the Web there is a video clip transferred from film of 1930s students in ancient Greek costumes having an Olympic-style competition on the fieldhouse. 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Clifton","date":"March 4, 2007","format":false,"excerpt":"Cambridge University classics professor Mary Beard recently suggested that today's Hellenic Pagans were inauthentic because they did not sacrifice animals.Set aside the Pagans for a moment. What about Jews?A small but controversial movement in Israel wants to revive Temple-based religion, including sacrifice.The present-day Sanhedrin Court decided Tuesday to purchase a\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"Islam\"","block_context":{"text":"Islam","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?tag=islam"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":494,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=494","url_meta":{"origin":497,"position":1},"title":"The logistics of sacrifice (1)Looking\u2026","author":"Chas S. Clifton","date":"August 21, 2005","format":false,"excerpt":"The logistics of sacrifice (1)Looking at an artist's rendition of the Roman temple of Minerva Sulis at Bath, UK, you will see a thin plume of smoke arising from the altar outside the temple. There appears to be no fuel, just smoke.I got to thinking about animal sacrifice, not the\u2026","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":10248,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=10248","url_meta":{"origin":497,"position":2},"title":"Siberian Shamans Hold Camel Sacrifice \u2014\u00a0It&#8217;s Traditional, They Say","author":"Chas S. Clifton","date":"February 22, 2019","format":false,"excerpt":"Watch this powerful video, which is also embedded in this article in the Moscow Times online: \"Siberian Shamans Revive Ancient Camel-Burning Rite \u2018to Help Russia.\u2019\"\u00a0 The location is given merely as \"the Irkutsk region\" but elsewhere there are references to Tuva, a Central Asian republic that is part of the\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"animals\"","block_context":{"text":"animals","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?tag=animals"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":5677,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=5677","url_meta":{"origin":497,"position":3},"title":"When Gods Sacrifice to Themselves","author":"Chas S. Clifton","date":"June 22, 2013","format":false,"excerpt":"Almost all traditional Pagan cultures have one religious practice in common that contemporary Pagans for the most part avoid: Sacrifice, which means literally \"to make sacred.\" Earlier this month, in fact, at a Pagan camp-out one of the elders was discoursing on the uselessness of sacrifice. If g\/God were a\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"Greece\"","block_context":{"text":"Greece","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?tag=greece"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/thumb\/9\/91\/Omphalos_pushkin.jpg\/337px-Omphalos_pushkin.jpg","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":1883,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=1883","url_meta":{"origin":497,"position":4},"title":"Giving Animal Sacrifice a Bad Name","author":"Chas S. 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