{"id":3098,"date":"2011-08-20T13:41:57","date_gmt":"2011-08-20T19:41:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=3098"},"modified":"2011-08-20T13:41:57","modified_gmt":"2011-08-20T19:41:57","slug":"how-not-to-argue-for-matriarchy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=3098","title":{"rendered":"How not to Argue for Matriarchy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Thealogian <a href=\"http:\/\/www.goddessariadne.org\/carolwords.htm\">Carol Christ <\/a>shows you <a href=\"http:\/\/feminismandreligion.com\/2011\/08\/05\/exciting-new-research-on-matriarchal-societies-by-carol-p-christ\/\">how not to do it at the <em>Feminism and Religion <\/em>blog.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>First, create a &#8220;straw man&#8221; argument that lets you be the\u00a0 heroic rebel:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[T]he \u201cparty line\u201d in the fields of Religious Studies and Archaeology\u2014even among feminists\u2014is that there never were any matriarchies and that claims about peaceful, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.yourdictionary.com\/matrifocal\" target=\"_blank\">matrifocal<\/a>, sedentary, agricultural, Goddess-worshipping societies in Old Europe or elsewhere have been manufactured out of utopian longing.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I can&#8217;t speak for archaeology, but in those corners of religious studies that might discuss Goddess religion, there are no &#8220;party lines&#8221; about anything. I have attended Pagan studies-related session at the American Academy of Religion for years, but I do not recall seeing her at one since 1997. So where does she get this idea? Never mind, it&#8217;s useful to her.<\/p>\n<p>Second, change the key definition to give yourself more wiggle room:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A recent book, <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/SOCIETIES-PEACE-MATRIARCHIES-PRESENT-FUTURE\/dp\/0978223357\" target=\"_blank\">Societies of Peace: Matriarchies Past, Present, and Future <\/a><\/em>(2009) defines the term \u201cmatriarchy\u201d differently.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>No more &#8220;archy,&#8221; from the Greek for &#8220;rulership,&#8221; but just being <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Matrilocal\">matriloca<\/a>l is enough. That makes traditional Navajo Indians &#8220;matriarchal.&#8221; Someone go tell them. And how many societies are even matrilocal these days?<\/p>\n<p>Third, find a culture far, far away:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In the cultures of the Masuo people on Lugu Lake in the Himalayas matriarchy in this sense has been preserved up to the present day.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But the next paragraph qualifies that claim slightly:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If the only the Masuo still followed these customs, and there is ample evidence in <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/SOCIETIES-PEACE-MATRIARCHIES-PRESENT-FUTURE\/dp\/0978223357\" target=\"_blank\">Societies of Peace<\/a><\/em> that they do, then theories of the universality of patriarchy are shown to be false, and those of us who speculate that woman-honoring societies of peace have existed can no longer be accused of indulging only in fantasy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Finally, accuse your previously created straw man opponent of bad faith:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Why is there such resistance to the idea that matriarchies could and still do exist? Could it be that accepting this idea would force us to reconsider absolutely everything?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Where is this &#8220;resistance&#8221;? Is it because the evidence for &#8220;woman-honoring societies of peace&#8221; is still weak\u2014maybe one tiny group in the Himalaya?\u2014or is it because her &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; of opponents are <em>bad people<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p><em>Belief first, evidence later<\/em>. It works for fundamentalists of all sorts.<\/p>\n<p>Now it is true that I have seen some good feminist scholars sit and roll their eyes at each other while someone presented a poorly sourced and shaky paper on &#8220;matriarchal religion.&#8221; That is not because of any &#8220;party line&#8221; but because these women can be both Pagan and intellectually rigorous. It&#8217;s possible.<\/p>\n<p>Carol Christ does not need to apologize for being utopian. It&#8217;s just that like many people who help to create new religions, she feels that she needs the prove that it is really really <em>old<\/em>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thealogian Carol Christ shows you how not to do it at the Feminism and Religion blog. First, create a &#8220;straw man&#8221; argument that lets you be the\u00a0 heroic rebel: [T]he \u201cparty line\u201d in the fields of Religious Studies and Archaeology\u2014even among feminists\u2014is that there never were any matriarchies and that claims about peaceful, matrifocal, sedentary, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3098","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6xQTg-NY","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1144,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=1144","url_meta":{"origin":3098,"position":0},"title":"Pomegranate 10.2 published","author":"Chas S. 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