{"id":2769,"date":"2011-06-15T19:38:55","date_gmt":"2011-06-16T01:38:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=2769"},"modified":"2011-06-15T19:43:23","modified_gmt":"2011-06-16T01:43:23","slug":"space-is-big-time-is-deep","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=2769","title":{"rendered":"Space is Big, Time is Deep, Aliens Aren&#8217;t Here"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Les Johnson&#8217;s article &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.baen.com\/Aliens.asp\">The Aliens Are Not Among Us<\/a>&#8221; reflects the way that I have come to think about physical aliens arriving in physical spaceships from other planets: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.baen.com\/Aliens.asp\">Not very likely<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Let me be blunt: the chance of an alien species evolving,  developing intelligence with the physical characteristics that allow  them to make fire and use tools, evolving to the point at which they can  travel through space (obeying nature\u2019s speed limit), crossing immense  distances, and just happening to reach Earth at a time that we, too, are  starting to explore space is, within any reasonable rounding error,  ZERO.<\/p>\n<p>At this point, some might say, \u201cBut Les, <em>you<\/em> are  now underestimating the effect of deep time! Science and technology are  advancing at an amazing pace. Who\u2019s to say that ET hasn\u2019t found a way to  tap the quantum vacuum energy (or some other breakthrough). Look how  much we\u2019ve accomplished in the last 500 years\u2014maybe the  extraterrestrials are a thousand years ahead of us technologically.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>My conclusion is unchanged. Look at the odds. It wouldn\u2019t  make a difference if they were 50,000 years ahead of us technologically.  The odds of them being <em>here<\/em>, <em>now<\/em>, and <em>with a technology that we would recognize<\/em> are too small to worry about. Might such a super civilization have  visited the Earth in the past? Perhaps. If so, then it is far more  likely that they arrived to find an Earth populated with dinosaurs and  not human beings.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;Nature&#8217;s speed limit&#8221; is the speed of light. Sci-fi writers have long postulated &#8220;hyperdrive&#8221; and &#8220;warp drive,&#8221; etc. as<em> plot devices<\/em>, to keep their spaceship crews from dying of old age in the course of a short story, but we are a long way from moving a physical space ship faster than the speed of light\u2014and other cultures, if they exist, might not have crossed that barrier either. (All movie spaceships have nifty artificial gravity too\u2014how?)<\/p>\n<p>So what about &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/pelicanist.blogspot.com\/2011\/05\/grassroots-ufos.html\">raw, unmediated ufology<\/a>&#8220;? What is happening with these people who report such experiences?<\/p>\n<p>Rule out hoaxes, misunderstandings (I&#8217;ve had those), and <a href=\"http:\/\/strangeattractor.co.uk\/shoppe\/mirage-men\/\">deliberate deception. <\/a><\/p>\n<p>I favor the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e\">Jacques Vall\u00e9e <\/a>explanation. Perhaps &#8220;they&#8221; have <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e#UFO_research_and_academic_work\">always been here<\/a>. Sometimes they tell us that they came from another planet, but it is more likely that they are inside the walls of our houses\u2014or other spaces that appear larger to them than they do to us.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Les Johnson&#8217;s article &#8220;The Aliens Are Not Among Us&#8221; reflects the way that I have come to think about physical aliens arriving in physical spaceships from other planets: Not very likely. 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