{"id":1169,"date":"2009-06-22T22:46:00","date_gmt":"2009-06-22T22:46:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=1169"},"modified":"2009-06-22T22:46:00","modified_gmt":"2009-06-22T22:46:00","slug":"the-mists-of-avalon-and-its-antithesis","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=1169","title":{"rendered":"The Mists of Avalon and Its Antithesis"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I recently re-read Marion Zimmer Bradley&#8217;s <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0345350499?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=chascli-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0345350499\">The Mists of Avalon<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=chascli-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0345350499\" alt=\"\" style=\"border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important; display: none;\" border=\"0\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\" \/><\/em> for the first time in years, in order to cite it in a paper.<\/p>\n<p>Now I am reading its antithesis, Simon Young&#8217;s <em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0297848054?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=chascli-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0297848054\">A.D. 500: A Journey Through the Dark Isles of Britain and Ireland<\/a><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.assoc-amazon.com\/e\/ir?t=chascli-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0297848054\" alt=\"\" style=\"border: medium none  ! important; margin: 0px ! important; display: none;\" border=\"0\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\" \/><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Based on the fiction of a geographer in Constantinople writing a guide to the &#8220;Dark Isles&#8221; based on contemporary reports and present-day archaeology, Young&#8217;s sixth century agrees very little with Bradley&#8217;s except, perhaps, on the importance of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tintagel\">Tintagel<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><em>If Tintagel is a work of Nature&#8217;s art, then man has, however, botched its decorations. The British Celts who live there are not great builders&#8230;.The king&#8217;s court is a timber shack, something approximating in size and finish to one of our royal stables.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>You want all-wise Druids at the close of Pagan Ireland?<\/p>\n<p><em>But even in their reduced state, these old men&#8211;the young with spiritual gifts turn to the Church&#8211;have a certain notoriety. Instantly recognizable for their curious cloaks and their shaved heads&#8211;each has a short tuft over the forehead&#8211;they walk from place to place officiating over oaths and sacrifices (it is better not to ask of which sort).<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Young admits that the story of the last Temple of Bacchus in Britain is &#8220;necessarily speculative,&#8221; but does offer sources for it, as for all his information.<\/p>\n<p>Young&#8217;s  book is a useful corrective to the &#8220;matter of Britain&#8217;s&#8221; multiple re-tellings&#8211;the last time I checked, library databases listed more than 900 works under the category of &#8220;King Arthur-Fiction.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I recently re-read Marion Zimmer Bradley&#8217;s The Mists of Avalon for the first time in years, in order to cite it in a paper. Now I am reading its antithesis, Simon Young&#8217;s A.D. 500: A Journey Through the Dark Isles of Britain and Ireland. Based on the fiction of a geographer in Constantinople writing a [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[20,57,21,50],"class_list":["post-1169","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","tag-archaeology","tag-books","tag-england","tag-ireland"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6xQTg-iR","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":8917,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=8917","url_meta":{"origin":1169,"position":0},"title":"The Dark Side of Avalon","author":"Chas S. 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