{"id":11444,"date":"2020-05-15T11:37:18","date_gmt":"2020-05-15T17:37:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=11444"},"modified":"2020-05-15T11:37:18","modified_gmt":"2020-05-15T17:37:18","slug":"catholics-in-trouble-over-idols-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=11444","title":{"rendered":"Catholics in Trouble over &#8216;Idols&#8217; Again"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"width: 820px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.churchmilitant.com\/images\/social_images\/2020-05-14-Hornchurch.jpg?resize=625%2C347&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Idols on the Catholic altar\" width=\"625\" height=\"347\" \/><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Various idols on the altar of a Roman Catholic church in England (photo: churchmilitant.com)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Maybe you missed it, but there was a minor scandal at the Vatican last year over the liturgical use of an image of Pachamana, one name given to the i<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pachamama\">ndigenous Mother Goddess<\/a> of the Andean region of South America.<a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicworldreport.com\/2019\/10\/25\/pope-francis-apologizes-that-amazon-synod-pachamama-was-thrown-into-tiber-river\/\"> Some traditional Catholics were deeply offended:<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The statues, which were identical carved images of a naked pregnant Amazonian woman, had been displayed in the Carmelite church of Santa Maria in Traspontina, close to the Vatican, and used in several events, rituals, and expression of spirituality taking place during the Oct. 6-27 Amazonian synod.((I realize the &#8220;Andean&#8221; and &#8220;Amazonian&#8221; mean different things, but the reporting \u2014\u00a0 or the pope \u2014 is a little confused.))<\/p>\n<p>The pope said they had been displayed in the church \u201cwithout idolatrous intentions,\u201d French agency I.Media reported.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicnewsagency.com\/news\/amazon-synods-controversial-carved-figures-thrown-into-tiber-river-45142\">The statues were thrown into the river Oct. 21<\/a>; a video released on YouTube showed two men entering the Church, leaving with the statues, and then throwing them off a nearby bridge<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Pope Francis called the statues &#8220;Pachamama&#8221;; someone else referred to &#8220;Our Lady of the Amazon&#8221;; and<a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholicworldreport.com\/2019\/10\/25\/pope-francis-apologizes-that-amazon-synod-pachamama-was-thrown-into-tiber-river\/\"> the pope ended up trying to &#8220;walk back&#8221; the whole affair:<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>As bishop of this diocese,\u201d Pope Francis, who is Bishop of Rome, said, \u201cI ask forgiveness from those who have been offended by this gesture&#8221; . . .<\/p>\n<p>Vatican spokesmen have said that [the statues] represent \u201clife,\u201d and are not religious symbols, but some journalists and commentators have raised questions about the origins of the symbols, and whether they were religious symbols of Amazonian indigenous groups.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Evidently the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Brentwood\">Roman Catholic diocese of Brentwood<\/a> in England not get the memo, because this month they &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.churchmilitant.com\/news\/article\/english-martyrs-church-installs-pagan-idols\">tweeted a picture of the idols of Shiva and Buddha, alongside an icon of Jesus the Good Shepherd and an African carving advertising an &#8216;interfaith prayer service.&#8217;<\/a>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Cue the outrage over &#8220;Pagan idolatry&#8221;: &#8220;Within minutes, hundreds of outraged Catholics bombarded the diocese&#8217;s Twitter thread accusing Fr. Belevendran of idolatry, syncretism, sacrilege and the heresy of indifferentism.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>A Christian convert from India was scathing:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Father Belevendran says he is from India,&#8221; she said. &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t he know how the caste system of Hinduism oppressed us for 3,000 years and only Christianity liberated us? Doesn&#8217;t he know the idol he placed on the altar is that of Shiva \u2014 the Hindu god of destruction?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Is the Bishop of Brentwood so racist that he believes Catholicism is only for white English people and not for brown-skinned Indians like me and so I need to go back to Hinduism?&#8221; she asked. &#8220;The image of Shiva as Nataraja on the altar conveys the Indian conception of the never-ending cycle of time, which is completely contrary to the biblical linear concept of time.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I have to agree with her on the concepts of time; she knows her Hindu symbolism. Meanwhile, Pope Francis continues to try to smooth things over, using the big, heavy, hot smoking iron of monotheistic triumphantalism:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Everyone prays as he knows, how he can, as he has received from his own culture. We are not praying against each other, this religious tradition against this, no,&#8221; the pontiff added. &#8220;We are all united as human beings, as brothers, praying to God, according to our culture, according to our own tradition, according to our beliefs, but brothers and praying to God. This is the important thing.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In other words, we are all praying to the One God, even those benighted Hindus, Africans, and indigenous Amazonians who do not know better.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Maybe you missed it, but there was a minor scandal at the Vatican last year over the liturgical use of an image of Pachamana, one name given to the indigenous Mother Goddess of the Andean region of South America. Some traditional Catholics were deeply offended: The statues, which were identical carved images of a naked [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[256,24,21,128,164],"class_list":["post-11444","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-catholicism","tag-christianity","tag-england","tag-hinduism","tag-idolatry"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6xQTg-2YA","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":743,"url":"https:\/\/blog.chasclifton.com\/?p=743","url_meta":{"origin":11444,"position":0},"title":"Who&#8217;s a Celt now? &#8211; 3","author":"Chas S. 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